[BD] Ground Strip Rules

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Just in case anyone's confused, here's why rodders wanted to check up on 
it - if it had been a foul, it WOULD have been a goal. You don't have to 
directly knock the disc out of a guy's hands for it to be a strip; any 
foul that results in him letting go of the disc is enough, so if you 
trip or unbalance the guy after the catch, it could be a strip.

WFDF Rules:
16.5.4. A defensive foul that causes the receiver or thrower to drop
the disc after they have gained possession is a "Strip" foul.
16.5.4.1. If such a foul occurs and the reception would have
otherwise been a goal, and the foul is uncontested, a goal is
awarded.

B

Justin Parkhurst wrote:
> Indeed, well spirited by Rodders in the COTD we saw. I don't fault the 
> sideline though, they are allowed to be involved in the game - indeed, one 
> of the great things about big games are the spectators - but Rodders knew 
> what happened, and he wasn't about to pretend it didn't simply because 
> others didn't see it happen (indeed, anyone who would have tried to 'get 
> away with it' really is in the wrong sport, in my opinion.)
>
> For some reason, several people on the sidelines that day were saying 'in 
> the US that would have been a goal'
>
> This does not appear to be true. Both UPA rules and WFDF rules seem to say 
> this is a turn over. Relevant rules from both are posted below:
>
> This is from WFDF 
> (http://www.wfdf.org/index.php?page=rules/2007_wfdf_ultimate_rules.htm)  see 
> 13.2
> 13. Receivers and Positioning
>
>   13.1. A player "catches" the disc by demonstrating sustained control of a 
> non-spinning disc.
>
>
>   13.2. If the player loses control of the disc due to subsequent contact 
> with the ground or a teammate or a legitimately positioned opposition 
> player, the catch is deemed to have not occurred.
>
>
> UPA rules (section II, sub-section O, as well as Section XI) : 
> http://www.upa.org/ultimate/rules/11th#XV
>
> II Definitions:
> ..
> O. Possession of the disc: Sustained contact with, and control of, a 
> non-spinning disc.
>   1.. Catching a pass is equivalent to establishing possession of that pass.
>   2.. Loss of possession due to ground contact related to a catch negates 
> that player's possession up to that point.
> ..
> XI. Scoring
>   1.. A goal is scored when an in-bounds player catches any legal pass in 
> the end zone of attack, and retains possession of the disc throughout all 
> ground contact related to the catch.
>
>
> -Justin
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dan Knapp" <knapp_dan at hotmail.com>
> To: <britdisc at ranulf.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 7:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [BD] COTD: Fire v Chevron - Rodders' layout grab
>
>
>   
>> And the clip also nicely highlights why uninvolved players and the 
>> sideline hecklers should stay out of it and not get involved. You can here 
>> people calling out and moaning about the speed of the game.
>>
>> Rodders made an awesome call, and had to ignore a lot of his peers to do 
>> so. Lesson there? He is a teacher I guess...
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