[BD] Rules

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Not sure you've got that right, Felix... It defines a 'strip foul' and 
then refers to '/such/ a foul' (i.e. still talking about a strip foul, 
not just any ordinary foul).

A strip is a  /type /of foul under the new rules. If you knock a disc 
away from someone who has demonstrated sustained control of a 
non-spinning disc, that /is/ a strip.

Only strips result in a point being awarded.

Unless I'm reading the rules incorrectly myself...

Anyway, while we're on the subject of rules, I had a few discussions at 
Tour 1 because I called 'fast count' on everyone who started a stall 
count with 'Stalling-one' in a great big rush. The rules make it clear 
that there's a one second gap between the start of the word 'stalling' 
and the start of the word 'one'.

To define the the start and end of a ten second period, and the 
intervals between, you have to say ELEVEN things. Think about it... 
'Stalling' is equivalent to saying 'Zero'.

I find more and more these days that people's stall counts are as fast 
as they can get away with. It's obviously good and fair that the gaps 
should be exactly one second rather than the slow counts that were 
prevalent when I started playing. But if the seconds are exactly on the 
money, I'm damned well claiming 10 of them, and not 9.

Can anyone explain to me an interpretation of the rules in which 
Stallingone isn't a fast count?

Yours grumpy-old-mannishly,
Benji

Felix wrote:
> Interestingly if you look closely you can see it's ex-Fusion Tom
> Quilter that seems to call it a turnover and sparks the anger from Sam
> Lord (who wisely chooses to turn his back after a few seconds), and
> then none other than ex Ro Sham Bo teammate Danny Hoyle jogging over
> to pursuade TQ not to get involved again.  The pair led Ro Sham to
> their Uni Nationals victories in 2006.
>
> At the moment I'm editting together one of the 'callfest' Clapham vs
> Skogs games - the final of EUCF2006 - and none of the calls strike me
> as badly spirited.  In fact, when a bad call is made due to
> misjudgement of player positioning, Rob Alpen steps in to pursuade his
> teammate to retract the call (this is when Clapham aren't the the
> dominant team and are in fact a couple of points down).  This is
> something I rarely see teams at the top do & wish I saw a lot more of
> - if you believe a player has misjudged the situation and is making an
> incorrect call/contest, as a player on the pitch you should let your
> opinion heard, regardless of whether it's supporting your players'
> position or not.  There's an 'all for one' ethic in some teams when it
> comes to calls, which would be better ditched for just trying to find
> the correct outcome.
>
> Personally I think (with a few exceptions) the spirit level in general
> drops the lower down the seedings you go, as the average players
> become less knowledgable of the rules, and the more dominant players
> become more likely to exploit this fact for their own benefit.  Sad
> but true.
>
> Felix
>
> ps. if, for arguments sake, the premature-check violation hadn't
> occured, then IF Sam had control of the disc before the foul it
> would've been a score:
> "16.5.4. A defensive foul that causes the receiver or thrower to drop
> the disc after they have gained possession is a "Strip" foul.
> 16.5.4.1. If such a foul occurs and the reception would have otherwise
> been a goal,
> and the foul is uncontested, a goal is awarded."
> So fouls - not just strips - in the endzone can result in goals, but
> only if the receiver has "sustained contact with, and control of, a
> non-spinning disc."
> Oh and check this out (in the Definitions):
> "A disc in the possession of a player is considered part of that
> player." - so smacking a hand in control of the disc (as it could be
> argued Sam's was) & causing it to drop is the same as smacking the
> disc directly.
>
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