[BD] Travelling rule clarification

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Interesting - that's a change I hadn't spotted in the new rules. Under 
the old rules, you could keep running while making a pass under the 
two-step rule as long as you didn't change direction or speed up, 
whereas under the new ones you have to be stopping even if you throw it 
early. I suspect I'm not the only one who missed that...Well played Nick 
Maynard...

It seems that you MUST stop after throwing even if you throw within the 
first two steps - i.e. you can't be slowing down, release a pass, and 
then start speeding up again.

So the new rule is no help in a homeboy, it's only useful in that you 
can get a quick release (and in making the greatest legal).

B

nick.maynard at yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> I think the governing rule here is that the player has to be coming to a stop as quickly as possible and without changing direction. If they are doing that and throw within three steps, then it's fine. However, if the receiver takes a step, jumps and passes while in the air, they are clearly not coming to a stop as quickly as possible and so it's a travel. 
>
> The problem comes with determining when a player is 'cruising' to a stop. If your mind is on the throw, you often stop trying to slow as quickly as possible (especially if you are in a home boy and trying to make the next cut), so then while the throw may be within three ground contacts, it is still a travel.
>
> The pivot point isn't established until the thrower comes to a complete
> stop, but they may still pass whilst slowing (as long as it's within
> the first two steps after catching). On the flip side, it's interesting to note that a stall count can't start until the player has come to a stop, thereby establising a pivot point.
>
> Rules:
>
> 17.2.1. A Travel violation occurs if:
> ....
> 17.2.1.3. a receiver does not come to a stop as quickly as
> possible or changes direction after catching the disc;
> ---------------------
> 17.3.1.4. "Fast Count" – the marker:
> ...
> 17.3.1.4.3. starts the stall count before the Offensive
> player establishes both possession of the disc and a pivot
> point,
>
> Nick
> Boogie Knights
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "Stewart, Daniel (GE Money)" <Daniel.Stewart at ge.com>
> To: BritDisc <britdisc at ranulf.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 August, 2007 3:59:37 PM
> Subject: [BD] Travelling rule clarification
>
> I got a call at the weekend from a very experienced (read: old) player which, at the time, seemed absurd, but I can't find anything in the '07 rules that says otherwise. The call was along the lines of "you don't need to have to established a pivot point within your first 3 ground contacts in order to pass the disc". That is to say, you can throw with both feet OFF the ground, if you're within your first 3 steps.
>
> This went against my understanding of the rules, and I imagine most players would call such a move as a travel. The rules don't seem to explicitly state this as a violation:
>
> 17.2.1. A Travel violation occurs if:
>
> 17.2.1.2. the thrower fails to keep in contact with the pivot
> point once established;
>
> 17.2.1.4. a receiver releases a pass during or after the third
> ground contact and before coming to a complete stop (any ground
> contact during the catch is the first ground contact);
>
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Cheers,
> Dan
> LLL
>
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