[BD] Faulty disc rules

IndoorsDOC indoorsdoc at ukultimate.com
Tue Aug 14 16:35:30 BST 2007


You definitely can stall when they pick it up wet, unless the teams have 
agreed differently.

I'm not so sure about if it's taco'd though - I know a turnover's not a 
real stoppage, but the D can't possibly be disadvantaged by the O 
putting it into play more slowly; the O can approach the disc at walking 
pace anyway if they want to. The D would usually prefer that the O gets 
going slowly, rather than taking the quick pass.

And if the team becoming O inherits a disc that has been taco'd by the 
opposition, then they are getting an unfair disadvantage, and I don't 
see why they shouldn't be allowed to sort it out. Doing so can't hurt 
the D in any way, except by removing that unfair disadvantage, and the D 
gains time to set up. The team becoming O could then choose which 
disadvantage they preferred - letting the D set, or playing with a 
buggered disc.

This applies both if we have a who-broke-it rule, AND with the current 
rules - if we're not allowed to fix the disc on a turnover then it 
doesn't seem fair to me.

Personally, if I bent a disc while dropping it, I'd always let the 
opposition change it if they wanted. They shouldn't be penalised for my 
mistake.

B

Andy Taylor wrote:
> Wee wee Dave (I love your DOND nickname, assuming I've got the right 
> person) and BD
>
> What gets me about this is what a stoppage is.
>
> Dave's words:
>
>>    "Any player may briefly extend a stoppage of play to correct 
>> faulty equipment (e.g. to tie >shoelaces or straighten a disc), but 
>> active play may not be stopped for this purpose"
>
>> Essentially this is important because it means that a disc can only 
>> be fixed if the disc is not >currently checked in, and play cant be 
>> stopped to fix it (as happens quite a lot).  That means on >your way 
>> to pick up the disc you can ask permission to straighten the disc,
>
> A stoppage is, as Dave rightly says, a time when the disc is not 
> currently checked in. Dave then goes on to say that on your way to 
> pick up the disc you can ask permission to straighten the disc. A 
> turnover (which is when I assume Dave is talking about walking to the 
> disc) is not a stoppage, and no check is required to restart play. 
> Therefore you do not have the right to wipe the disc dry before 
> putting the disc into play after a turnover, only when a call has been 
> made.
>
> Of course if there is mutual agreement between teams not to stall 
> after a turnover until the disc has been dried, then I guess you could 
> allow it, but if you get to that situation and you decide you don't 
> want to dry the disc, but make a quick pass as a player is free, then 
> the defence won't be ready for it, and would feel hard done by, 
> although it was technically within the rules.
>
> That make sense? Basically, as far as I can see it, you can stall 
> someone straight after a turnover, and if they want to dry it they do 
> it on their own time.
>
> Tails
> Ltd Release
>
> PS Not the views of my team at all.
>
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