[BD] Re: Tour 0

Tue Apr 3 19:35:55 BST 2007

As far as I remember for the last few years we have had discussions on 
this issue and the decisions were always to allow a single slot in the A 
tour for a foreign team.  Personally I think it is a good idea.  I am 
positive it is in the Tour rules, and since teams were told the rules 
were the same as in previous years it probably wouldn't have been too 
much to expect teams to read them...

UK Nationals is solely for UK teams, the UK Tour is about helping to 
develop british ultimate as a whole - something that will undoubtedly be 
helped by having other good teams mixing it up a bit. I dont like the 
idea of closing off the whole of the Tour.  Then again, I'm still 
struggling to make the move to "Middle England"...

As for the 16th team missing out then I sympathise with them 
individually but really - an "A tour" of 15 teams rather than 16? - does 
anyone really want to try to convince me that this makes a blind bit of 
difference in the grand scheme of things?  I hope not*  Besides, at 
least as compensation you get the realistic chance to win a tournament.

As an aside - am I the only person who thinks we are really overdoing 
the whole "fairness" thing in terms of seedings etc.?  I think it is a 
symptom of being British that people actually prefer to whine about 
being screwed by something outside their control so that it is 
officially not their fault.  In most sports competitions there is some 
sort of a draw and sometimes you come up against better teams, sometimes 
you come up against weaker teams.  I am a big fan of having meaningful 
games but I think the classic example has to be the "triple elimination" 
at student tournaments which I personally think is ridiculous and simply 
doesn't work. I'm not making a big deal of anything but I have to say 
comments like "This can destroy a team who had thought they were playing 
for promotion" are frankly ludicrously British. 

As for a general piece of advice. Every year we have a load of 
suggestions and discussions at the start of a season but seldom any at 
the end, when we are best able to make changes for the following year.  
Lets see how it goes this year and then at the end of the season lets 
make sure the Open committee consider any changes for the following year. 

Sounds to me like the seeding tournament went well and is a good 
addition to the season.  Long time since the first tournament of the 
year got universal approval - so well done Ad and Matt! 

Dave.
#3

*Even if you do want to try and convince me otherwise, please don't.

Oscar wrote:
> I'm confused.
> What is the point of the European Ultimate Championship Series again?
> I thought that the point of this was to allow the top European clubs 
> to play
> against each other in competition every year.
> My view of the UK ULTIMATE Tour is that it is there to improve the 
> standard
> of UK Ultimate teams. We have made the (successful, I think) move to 
> split
> tours, preventing the top teams from having a walkover first day (a 
> shame,
> to some extent, because I feel that some of my best learning experiences
> when I started playing Ultimate were in teams walked over by the top 
> teams.
> I particularly remember scoring on Adam Batchelor in a 15-1 hammering of
> Bears by Fluid Druids ;-p). Now we seem to be making the move to 
> depriving a
> team who have earnt their Top 16 position from competition against the 
> Top
> clubs in the country. Therefore, probably confining them to a walkover 
> first
> day in B Tour.
> Having watched The Brown develop from a distance over the past couple of
> years, I have been extremely impressed with their development, drive and
> ability and I feel that they are entirely deserving of an A Tour place.
> Lets leave the European competition for the European competitions and let
> the best 16 UK teams play in the A Tour of the UK Tour.
> Oscar
> FlyghtClub Open Coordinator
> (my views and not, necessarily, those of my team/teammates.
>
> On 03/04/07, Robert Alpen <ralpen at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> I for one think it would be a terrific idea if we were
>> to invite on international team for each tour.  Maybe
>> we could leave a designated seed for them each time
>> (maybe 4th place?).  It would spice things up for a
>> lot of teams who are tired of just beating the crap
>> out of each other every single tour.  Finally, this
>> would be a great way to make UK ultimate the focal
>> point of European Ultimate.  I'm not proposing being
>> swamped by European team, just one team/tour.  I also
>> think that the Women's tour would benefit from this
>> even more than the Open tour.
>>
>> As far as the Big EZ is concerned, they are a very
>> spirited team that performed far beyond expectations
>> last year at the EUCF finishing 4th.  Obviously they
>> have had a taste of success and are hungry to improve.
>> I would love to see them at a tour.
>>
>> Rob Alpen
>> Clapham Ultimate
>> --- Chris <chris.wilkinson at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Adam Batchelor" <adam.batchelor at virgin.net>
>> > To: <li51jp at surrey.ac.uk>
>> > Cc: <britdisc at ranulf.net>
>> > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 2:52 PM
>> > Subject: [BD] Re: Tour 0
>> >
>> >
>> > "There is an Austrian team The BigEz looking to
>> > enter the first A tour.
>> > Ad"
>> >
>> > Well whoot de doot!
>> >
>> > Surely any team wanting to enter A tour would have
>> > had to qualify at Tour 0,
>> > otherwise you are saying that any non UK team that
>> > fancies can just waltz in
>> > to the A Tour. Would we be able to do the same in
>> > France or Germany? (Or
>> > Austria for that matter). Don't get me wrong, I
>> > enjoy playing against
>> > 'foreign' teams, played against 2 at Discophilia
>> > Open recently, but this
>> > isn't really on.
>> > {(-:)>
>> > Santa
>> > Tenacious Devon
>> >
>> >
>> >
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