[BD] Re: [uniultimate] Uni student eligability

[Mark Womersley]

It's a bit of toss up between some people losing out and the sport 
moving forward in terms of recognition.

At Haze we lost three of our most experienced players because of the new 
BUSA regs which may have cost us a Nationals spot but if we don't fall 
in-line with these regulations then we cannot be a BUSA sport it is that 
simple.

I think BUSA recognition is a good thing, it has certainly meant more 
funding for my club. People from other institutions can't play in other 
sports I'm not sure why Ultimate need be any different.

As yet I am unclear if the BUSA regulations have become standard for Uni 
Ultimate and as such exclude players from events like Uni mixed which 
don't carry BUSA points. If the old regulations still apply for these 
tournaments then there is still plenty of opportunity for (BUSA) 
ineligible players to play some ultimate. BUSA points are only awarded 
for Indoor and Outdoor Nationals I believe so that's only 4 tournaments 
a year.

Womo
Haze #26

My views not the clubs etc. etc.


Samuel Hird wrote:
>
> Hey everyone!
>
> I just read the eligibility rules for Div 1 today. I was seriously
> disappointed to read that players from neighboring institutions would
> no longer be eligible to compete in the now BUSA affiliated
> tournaments. Correct me if I?m wrong, but I never heard the slightest
> mention of the exclusion of players during the discussions about
> joining BUSA. Will the same rules apply to regionals next year? How
> about outdoors? Why haven?t we been told?
>
> In the previous rules, players were eligible from the nearest
> institutions provided they could demonstrate suitable links and
> submitted an application to the uni/regional co-ordinator. These rules
> are great and necessary for new teams, especially the smaller
> institutions that they relate to, in order for them to get their feet
> off the ground. Even established university clubs can have bad years
> and I know many London clubs that have temporarily joined together in
> hard times. Within the last 2 years UCL and LSE had to join together
> temporarily and now separately they?re doing fantastically. I?ve never
> heard of a whole team not entering a tournament to play under the
> umbrella of another team and do well. And with more and more
> institutions having their own teams, I cant see it happening.
>
> This is probably something that doesn?t affect most of the bigger,
> campus universities, but is this something that we really want for the
> sport? So many of us spend so much of our time promoting the sport to
> just about everyone, from our university unions to a wave of recent TV
> appearances, particularly by open teams. Preventing university students
> from playing university tournaments restricts the sport at a grass
> roots level, where many many players enter the sport. Can the exclusion
> of student players really be a step forward? There are so many
> institutions, especially in London, with its lack of affordable
> facilities, that are too small to be able to field their own ultimate
> team now, and probably for the foreseeable future with many keen
> players that are going to seriously lose out, which can only be bad for
> the sport.
>
> I?m obviously against the move and would hate to see it continue if the
> majority of others feel the same. No-ones voiced their opinion as yet.
> Id be interested to see what others think.
>
> At the very least could someone answer my questions in the 1st paragraph.
>
> Sam
>
> -- 
> Samuel Hird
> samuel.hird at kcl.ac.uk <mailto:samuel.hird%40kcl.ac.uk>
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